2k5 intimidator Alias w/ tadao board and shocktech bolt
Dye DM6 w/ orange bolt
Bob Long Vice
Sly Barrel kit
Bob Long Cam Drive ASA
Crossfire 45/4500 HP Carbon Fiber Bottle
Crossfire 68/4500 HP Carbon fiber bottle
Velocity jr Hopper w/ virtue chip
Tadao board and pillow bolt INCLUDED!
360 is a little wobbly
only 4 colors available
No ASA, tools, or manual
I have used many guns in 15 years of play. Open bolt and closed. The Bob Long Vice is without a doubt the BEST marker I have used to date.
When you first get the marker you can't believe how light it is. You take it out, grab the barrel and air it up. This is what most people do. Having been through countless markers, the first thing I do is grab the manual and read it. However, for some reason that I cannot figure out, EVERY Vice that I have seen did not come with a manual. I have written to Boblongdirect.com about this and have yet to receive an answer. But having used an Alias for some time, the Vice operates in the same manner. I'm just a little hesitant to work on the new 360 reg without a manual.
The barrel is a very nice improvement over the assassins barrel. A little longer and more accurate in my opinion. You will see several video's on youtube of people shooting these and trying to screw the barrel back in while firing. I added an o-ring to the barrel first this and haven't had a problem with that. I added a Sly Barrels kit though just to lighten it up even more.
The grips leave a little space on the finger side of the grip exposing the board on occasion. Forcing you to either keep bending the grip back into shape or you can get a set of grips from stingerpaintballdesigns.com and eliminate the issue entirely.
Everything that I have done or will do to this marker is purely from my need to make it absolutely perfect with no flaws (as I see them). Since it comes with a Tadao board you don't need to upgrade at all. You can put the OLED board in it but in my opinion this is a waste of money, since all it adds is the LED function. It has the best bolt you can get for it already. The ONLY thing you would really want to do first thing is to put an on/off asa on it and add an o-ring to the barrel. I used the BL Cam drive just for the sake of symmetry. The Cam drive puts the on/off on the bottom of the ASA making it easily accessible and easy to use. The efficiency is simply amazing. I can get almost a case of paint off of one 68/4500 fill.
As to functionality, a teammate of mine put about a half case of paint that was over a year old that he found in his garage through it (as the most severe test I has seen through a marker) he broke three balls total ramping.
I'm giving it a 10 of 10 because it needs only the ASA to complete it.
Stock Barrel if your a perfectionist like me.
I was thinking about getting a new gun, a more efficient one, because my shocker is a gas hog, although I still love it and own it, I needed a gun that could shoot all the paint my pack could carry. So I started saving up for an EGO8, then my buddy told me to get a bob long gun, so I looked into the Vice, then I thought, "wow I can pay 1250 bux for a gun that gets 1850 shots per tank, or I can pay 750 and get a gun that gets 2000 shots per tank" and seeing that they use the same technology, and one is better than the other and costs less. Which do you think the better deal is? Yep, the Vice.
So I ordered one, got it in 3 days later, and I aired it up and dryfired a bit, I was smacked in the face with very little kick, and amazing efficiency.
So today I took it to my local field, set my stuff up, and went to the chrono area. Just like any new gun the velocity was all over the place, jumping from 270 300 257 274. So I said "well this is normal" so I go and start playing and WOW! This thing shoots bunnies! It was the most quiet poppet valve I have ever heard. Much quieter than the EGO. I played with it all day, filled up 1 time, and shot a whole case. I was amazed! It's very fast, efficient, light, and just an all around amazing gun. Comes stock with a Q-Lock and a Tadao. Big plus there.
So the final word is, this gun is amazing. It is everything a Paintball gun should be, at half the price of the competition, and as being a previous/current owner and have used many High End guns, I can easily say that the new Vice Intimidator is right up there with the best, and at a price that will make you smile. I honestly chose the Vice over an EGO because with a high end gun like the EGO or a DM, half the price is the company name. So get a Vice. It is the best gun out there in my opinion. No joke, I have never in my life used a better gun. EVER. Vice FTW! This think should score 10000, but since the rating scale topps out at 10, I guess that will have to do.
1750 paintball shot off of a 68/4500 fill
Fast and consistant
I would like the trigger with bearing
better fitting grips
For $750.00 you can't anything better on the market right now. In my opinion this marker easily stand up to the 2008 Eclipse Ego. You can get the same rate of fire better efficiency and still have $500.00 left in you pocket. The marker is light, balance and fit perfectly in the users hands. I would recommend this marker to any and every player. And to top it all off it is Made in America. Did I also say that you can almost shot a whole case off of one fill (68/4500). Thank you Bob Long.
The best marker I have purchased in serveral years.
Gen 2,3,4 Timmy's
Black 08 Bob Long Vice
Black POWER Kodachi Trigger
14in Deadlywind Barrel
Pure Energy 72 4500
Grey Dye Rhino Cover
Nothing is needed
4C and OLED isn't needed
Barrel Kit Maybe
On/Off not needed
Efficient even in the cold
First received the gun in the mail and wow the box was light so i knew the gun was going to be light. I opened it up and it was more beautiful then picture make it seem and yes it was extremly light.
Alright to the performance.
Yesterday when i first shot it the temperature was about -15 Celsius not including wind chill so lets say around -20 Celsius and i was using a cold fill which was about to get alot colder.
First stream of paint i had a couple barrel break but i blame the paint i was using V1 from the summer and it was warped so even with the .697 insert it gave problems. I had sum bad breaks so i switched ot stock barrel from my deadlywind and things were looking better. The gun was ripping and not kicking at all. Then my vlocity broke a ball in the stack and yea that caused problems and i had to switch to my VL Jr. Again it was ripping even when the gun felt like it was frozen over and the tank reg was so col don touch.
From a 72 3500 fill i got 3 bags of paint and i was dry firing from 500psi and it was a 4000 fill but yea it got 1500 from a 72 3500 fill and it was like -20 Celsius out and i dry fired alot outta the thing which we know is less efficient then with paint.
Doing the math of 1500 from about a 72 35 fill equals jsut about a case from a full tank in the cold. (72x3500/1500=168... 72x4500/168=1928.5).
This gun is mad efficent and also even though it doesn't have an On/Off when u unscrew the tank the gun degasses itself.
Another great feature is u can lock the reg in any position like if u like the fitting to the side of just straight.
10/10 Best gun ive shot like more comfortable then an 08 ego
Ripper 1, Ripper 2, Ripper 3, Ripper 2.5, GZ, Classic, 2K2, Lasoya, and TX Storm Intimidators. I've used the entire "suite" of the Intimidator product line and currently own 10 other Intimidators. None of the previous intimidators really match up well with the Vice. The 4C Eye system, better gripframe and body design and upgrades to the valve, ram sleeve, bolt and solenoid make this a far superior marker. The fact that it comes with a Tadao board stock, puts it into it's own league. The maintenance is reduced and what little there is to do is easy and straight forward.
I shoot a 2K5'd GZ, Excalibur, FL Viking, Texas Storm, Ripper, Ripper 2 and Ripper 3 Intimidators. I run a Halo or an Empire Reloader B (and now a Pulse) with a PMI Pure Energy or Crossfire Tank.
Due to the redesign from the Gen4 platform, there are very few upgrades recommended out of the box. Most are a matter of personal preference and have minimal effects on the performance of the marker. If you feel compelled to put upgrades in, here's what I'd recommend...in no particular order.
1. Trigger. The stock trigger is very solid, however the spring and pull wasn't to my liking out of the box. Incubus is a friend of mine and was kind enough to let me "test" two of his POWER triggers ... his Kodachi and Sabre styles. I liked the curve in the Saber and put it on my marker. It has a nice smooth pull and the concave design under the trigger reduces weight and enables a snappy, light return with minimal bounce. I've been running mine without the spring. At present only the stock trigger and POWER triggers will work. Another option would be the AcidCustom trigger line but I'm not 100% sure they work with this gripframe.
2. Tadao Yakuza OLED Board. The Vice comes with a stock M8 Tadao Ryujin Board that's really top of the line. It utilizes the 4C eye techonology and can handle 2 or 4 eyes with the marker. The Yakuza is $170 and a steep price for some, however the ease of functionality, crisp code and the fact that it really aligns itself well with the upgraded capabilities of the marker almost dictate a purchase. Either way you go (Tadao LED or OLED) you're not going to go wrong!
3. Barrel. Everyone swaps this out. Pick your favorite and put it on. It comes stock with the Bob Long Pro Player barrel which is darn nice!
4. Rail/ASA. Same as a barrel. I prefer the CP's but get whichever you prefer. The marker came stock with a Bob Long direct mount ASA which is fine for my purposes, eventually I'll add a CP but pretty nice stock ASA out of the gate.
5. HPR. I recommend that if you're going to get rid of the stock reg (which frankly is amazing compared to the older Torpedo's) I'd go with the only one that's significantly better and that's the AKA 2-Liter.
6. Feedneck. The stock feedneck is a clamping feedneck that's neither too bulky or tall. It fits my Halo and Pulse quite well and it's the first Intimidator I can think of that doesn't require an upgrade upon purchasing it. If you feel compelled, go for a CCM, Redz or other popular clamping neck.
7. The only real upgrade that I can think of to really improve the marker would be the 4C eye system. The new eyes enable you to take full advantage of the Tadao code and dynamically track the movement of paint to optimize cycle time. The paint really rips in tight, consistent strings/ropes of paint in Semi mode. It's incredible how well it shoots.
8. LPR gauge. BLAST sells LPR gauge/tools on their site for around $26. If you plan to tinker you'll need this to reset your LPR.
Fast, Consistent, Accurate, Light, Cheap, Small and did I mention FAST?!
None that I've enountered so far...this is top of the line!
I've been an Intimidator fan for quite some time now. I was very impressed when I shot the Protege at World Cup. That enthusiasm didn't even compare to the first hopper full of paint I shot through the marker today. I bought the Vice and had it shipped with the 4C eye system. I also added in a Tadao Yakuza board with an RF Chip and Sync'd the marker to my Pulse. The result is the fastest marker I have ever shot. The consistency of the strings of paint in semi only mode with no bounce was simply astounding. I've shot hundreds of markers but nothing even close to being in the league of the Vice.
Bob totally redesigned the Gen4 platform to give you the Vice. The valve system is completely different though it utilizes some of the same design characteristics as the Gen4's but without the maintenance issues. The result is a kick/recoil free marker that's light and stable to shoot. The marq style gripframe enables them to strategically place the solnoid in a mounted configuration. The internals are better aligned and subsequently require less maintenance. The redesign of the gripframe to the body also enables easier access to the valve and internals when you do have to maintain it.
These markers come with the Marq style reg. This is fundamentally different from Alias/Gen4 torpedos as it utilizes a shim stack with a piston which in turn leads to tighter readings over a chrono. I was hitting +/-5 right out of the box. I've never had that consistency with the other 10 or so NIB Intimidators I've had.
The marker also comes with an ASA and top of the line Feedneck which are significant improvements from past models. The stock barrel is also amazing. The ram area/sleeve are/is shorter and the marker runs on a 6ms dwell...about 40% faster than previous versions with no hint of shootdown, even when I had it in uncapped, full auto (NXL) ramp. Bob carried over the Marq style eye covers with integrated detents so users don't need to swap out rubber nubs anymore. The eyes are easy to change out and are locked down with a phillips head screw.
Phillips head screws also hold down the Tadao M8 Ryujin board on the inside of the frame. The battery connects straight to the frame, so no more harnesses to worry about. The OLED functionality on the Yakuza I put in was simply amazing. When coupled with the 4C eye functionality I had a paintball machine gun in my hands. The ram is easy to lube as are the pistons for the regs.
The overall milling and contours are more aligned on the Vice than any other intimidator. I'm impressed with the flow and feel of the marker. Some people reported early machining problems as well as anodizing issues on the Black markers, but mine is gloss black and any previous issues now seem to be corrected.
One downside is that there's a limited selection of triggers, but I'm honestly quite happy with the POWER Sabre trigger I have in there. It clearly helps me establish a nice rhythm. The stock spring was adding too much tension so I took it out. The Vice also has a "plate" that is screwed in place as a back buffer near the switch for the trigger spring.
Ironically the most amazing part of the marker is yet to be mentioned. I'm getting roughly 2100 shots off of a full 68/4500 fill. The marker itself is highly efficient and really maximizes this. The size is comparable to an 08 Ego. I put it on top of the ego in my local store and the ego was a bit longer while the Marq was a bit taller. The weight and width were nearly identical. The real coup is that the Vice is nearly $400-500 cheaper.
All said and done there are very few negatives to associate with the Vice. Most of them are more a matter of personal preference other than functionality or capability.
A top notch marker that fully exceeds anything else in this price range. It comes stock with the best board (manufacturer) on the market with performance unsurpassed by anything out there. A must have for any serious tournament baller. Bob really outdid himself and elevated his marker design.
Currently, 07 EGO, dm 06, Autocockers, SP8, Invert Mini, Tib 8, Stainless Complete Freek Kit, Eggy Z, Halo V35rip, 70-4500 StubbyX2, 45-4500, and the list goes on and on
none It comes with a Tadeo Board for free
nice and small, no kick
very good price, great value
Some say its to light/small, hmmm whatever, carry a brick on the field then
I have use a lot of guns and I would say that this gun is very simular to my 07 ego for 1/2 the price, what a great deal, and comes with a Tadeo Board not some cheap stock one as others like to put in and then you have to spend 150 later to upgrade. I have put about 6 cases through it and no problems no chops. This is a new product and when people actually try the product you will see a lot more at Tourny games coming your way, Good job Bob Long
Great product, is my new Tourny gun, Great value, cheap price for what you get
Different types of Timmies
05 Russian Legion
Smart Parts Micro Max Flo
V35 Halo B
Smart Parts Freak
Magnetic Trigger upgrade, asa, barrel,
Fast, quiet, little kick, light, small, easy to operate
Trigger has a heavy pull
I just got my vice after waiting for two months. It was well worth the wait. I went out and put paint through it late at night when it was cold and i did not chop one ball. It shot ridiculous fast and I had to lessen the debounce due to it shooting even after I let go of the trigger. It would shoot wonderful ropes. i would suggest that anyone who wants to spend the money do IT. It is cheaper than an Planet Eclipse Marker and shoots just as wonderful as the some of the other timmies. It is light as all hell. With the stock barrel it weighs 2.2 pounds. I was completely amazed on how light it was compared to my 06 infamous. amazing marker!!!
This is a great product and will put Bob back into the Tourny scene again I hope. For all of those who have waited get one.... soon!!!